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Embird or Buzz Tools-Which One?

Ringo4's picture

I have purchased a new embroidery machine, but the embroidery software was better on my old one.  I have been looking at Embird and Buzz Tools, but I have not had time to download the trial on each one.  Would you all please be willing to share your comments and experience with me so I do not overlook something important when I choose.


Thank you all


 

spicegirl1's picture

(post #30613, reply #1 of 47)

What brand of EM did you have and what brand do you have now? 


Embird seems to be the most popular software with the forums I use.  If you check their website, you will see that you do not have to buy the entire program.


My son tried Buzz to digitize photos and didn't care for it.  We switched to and are still using PE Design, because at the time I was using a Brother home embroidery machine and wanted to stay with the brand.

Ringo4's picture

(post #30613, reply #2 of 47)

Thank you for your reply.  I had a Pfaff with the 3-D embroidery basic.  Which went with my machine.  I bought the Janome 11000 last month.  I have the basic Customizer 11000.  From the little time that I have had to use it since I have to work also, my 3-D was better. I should have kept it so I have found out!!  I have tried to purchase it on Ebay.  But For a used copy, it sells fast and I believe for more than what I paid for it.  I had to  purchase Buzz Tools Explore just to be able to convert designs.


Please give me the names of the other forums that you visit.


Thanks


Edited 10/24/2007 4:08 pm ET by Ringo4

spicegirl1's picture

(post #30613, reply #4 of 47)

Before you purchased Buzz Tools, did you check the free conversion software sites?


I am not familiar with the brands of machines that you use, so cannot be 100% sure, but the sites are Pulse Ambassador and Wilcom.   Pulse, I used & Wilcom, I have seen recommended many times.


You may get more responses on this forum, but the one I favor (sorry, Threads) is sewforum.com.  The other one is patternreview.

MargieT's picture

(post #30613, reply #3 of 47)

Can I jump on my soap box and recommend Embird?  This is an amazing program with so may possibilities.  With this program you can store your designs, convert designs, split designs, print templates and thumbnails and view your designs in 3D. You can even work out how much thread you need for each design!  These are just a few of the functions off the top of my head - the ones I use most frequently.  The basic cost will enable you to do all this.  There is an extra cost for the digitizing program `Studio' and for the font management program - `Font Engine'.  Embird is a very cheap program compared to many others on the market and worth every cent.  Download the trial and give it a go.  Bye the way, I am not affiliated with Embird just a very happy user.

maggiecoops's picture

(post #30613, reply #6 of 47)

Margie t, is there room on your soap box for another Embird enthusiast. I own Embird basic suite, Studio, the digitising plug in, and Cross stitcher. I also own Janomes Digi Pro and Customiser 11000, then you can add to those Generations as well.


Embirds manager on it's own is a great file manager, embroidery conversion tool, thread colour changer, plus a whole lot more. The Editor is fantastic, it would be quicker to list what it doesnt do, the washing, ironing cooking. In those two elements of the program you have all you could want if you dont want to digitise your own designs. It's digitiser is good, it wont auto digitise, it was never intended for the auto digitising market. In fact initially it was intended for the commercial embroidery digitisers, so has some of the elements found in the commercial packages.


I also have Janomes Digi Pro, a good honest not too many frills digitising program, with an excellent lettering facility and an auto digitising function. Something I dont use as auto digitising requires a lot of editing or careful thought, resequencing and altering start and stop points. Manual digitising from scratch is a much better option, plus Digi Pro has a shallow learning curve. Customiser I don't use,.


Generations is awesome, has a steep learning curve but is well worth the climb.


I did own PEDesign many years ago, but never got on with it, and the upgrades were so expensive. At the time a days tuiton cost a weeks salary for me and I had to travel miles to have it. I couldnt justify it so put the program away.


Which brings me round to Embird again, I paid less for the 4 elements of Embird I own than I paid for PEDesign in the mid 90s, less than Digi Pro, and a lot less than Generations. The upgrades are a modest price, there's masses of support on the web, and the authors listen to the users. What more is there to say.


Edited 10/30/2007 10:10 am ET by maggiecoops

MargieT's picture

(post #30613, reply #7 of 47)

Welcome to my soap box.  Does anyone else out there want to join us? Membership is free.

fiberfan's picture

(post #30613, reply #11 of 47)

I am another Embird fan.  I have Studio and 2 alphabets in additional to the basic program.  My latest embroidery use was a cat applique for a 50s circle skirt.  I scanned the applique from the pattern and digitized the design.  I used Studio the other day to draw an image with some curves, it is so easy to get a curve with just the right shape in Studio.


Joanne

MargieT's picture

(post #30613, reply #12 of 47)

I haven't tried Studio as I am not really interested in digitizing - it might be something that I could do in the future.  I have heard that the program is excellent.  Do you belong to Kathy Jones's studio club?

fiberfan's picture

(post #30613, reply #15 of 47)

I do not belong to Kathy Jones's studio club.  I am a member of Amy Webster's yahoo group and have learned a lot from her tutorials.  I don't do a lot of digitizing but I do like Studio.


Joanne

Cherrypops's picture

(post #30613, reply #10 of 47)

Maggie,


Many thanks for your informative reply.


I too, am choosing between Embird and BuzzTools.


I have customizer but I haven't used it much.


Please look up and read my reply to MargieT, as this site doesn't allow replies to more than one member, and then you get in trouble for posting the same message twice. 'spamming' the discussions.


I will let you ALL know what my decision is.


CherryP (sydney)

MaryinColorado's picture

(post #30613, reply #16 of 47)

Thanks for the great overview of the software.  Very helpful.  Mary

Cherrypops's picture

(post #30613, reply #9 of 47)

Margie,


You and a lot of other embroiderers highly recommend Embird. Through my Forum trawls there is so much more help for that programme than there is for BuzzTools.


Buzz2Stitches is on offer now, my mother-in-law has offered to purchase it for me for xmas. She bought me BuzzExplore and Edit for my birthday, and I am still trying to get my head around those! She uses Buzz software and also Generations....Never heard of Embird.


I use a Janome 350e and am also considering the Janome Digitizer Pro software, as I have Customizer (updated for 350e).


I will download the trials of Embird soon. 


I would like a great programme at a great price. I'm not in a business, just a happy sewing mum!


CherryP (sydney)


 


 


 


 

MargieT's picture

(post #30613, reply #13 of 47)

For value for money Embird is an excellent option.. I have a 300E and have been using Embird with it for about 18 months with great success.  Machine embroidery can become a very expensive hobby with the cost of threads, stabilizers and designs etc etc.  Embird is a way that the cost can be reduced and as Maggie says there is very little it can't do.  Help with the housework may be in the next version!

Cherrypops's picture

(post #30613, reply #14 of 47)

I'm with you on the expenses and housework issues.


One question:


Does Embird ( which package ) convert graphics files such as .jpg or .bmp into a .jef file.?


Thanks for your help.


CherryP


 

maggiecoops's picture

(post #30613, reply #17 of 47)

Hi Cherry p, Embird wont convert a graphic into embroidery, it's not an auto digitising package. I'm not a fan of auto digitising or thedesigns they generate, unless the digitiser really knows their craft, the point, click and stitch designs leave an awful lot to be desired. It may sound strange, but to be able to auto digitise well, you need to have mastered manual digitising. It helps to build an understanding of the relationship between stitches thread and fabric, the importance of pathing, or travelling, density settings, the role of underlays, what push pull distortion is and how to help alleviate its effects,how using the angle of fills  and stitch lengths reflect light to create the illusion of movement and colour. Just importing a graphic and hitting the create stitches icon, wont do that, nor will it allow you to understand what you need to do to make your design stitch out perfectly.  It really is worth the effort learning to manually digitise, it doesnt matter which software you choose, and we will all tell you, ours is the best, because it's what we use and chose, it's how much you want to learn about your software, and discover ways to create designs you can stand up and say proudly, I digitised that.


Embird has a steep learning curve, but theres plenty of groups out there offering support. Kathy Jones, Amy webster are two excellent embird teachers.  I use both Embird and Janomes Digi Pro, the latter has a shallower learning curve, but hand on heart I cannot and will not say one is better than the other, they are different, all I can say, is Embird is an awful lot of program for its price. How you use what they offer is up to you.


Edited 10/31/2007 12:11 pm ET by maggiecoops

Ringo4's picture

(post #30613, reply #18 of 47)

Thanks to all of you for continuing my question.  I had almost given up on more responses.  I have just downloaded the trial for Embird.  Wow!  Just from briefly looking, the Embird setup is very different from what I had and the Janome Customizer 11000 which appears to be very basic.   I have not been at the machine embroidery for very long.  You all rave about the things that Embird can do, but I really do not understand a lot of those things.  I was just beginning to learn when I changed machines and software.  I knew enough about my old 3-D software to realize that the Janome Customizer is not as good.


Before my trial time is up, would you all give the names and places to find the help groups that you talked about?  I know just the basics.  I do not know much at all about the editing tools that I see you all talk about.  Ignorance combined with 60 year old gray matter and lack of time due to being self employed makes for a difficult learning curve!! 


I appreciate all of the help that you have given me.


Ringo4

maggiecoops's picture

(post #30613, reply #21 of 47)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flyingneedle_studio_club/   Deals with the studio digitising plug in.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flyingneedle_champagne_club/   Using the editor to split and realign large designs down into small hoops. Both these sites have an annual subscription. they really are worth it, kathies lesson are comprehensive and easily followed.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigiStudio/ 


 http://www.aldawldup.com/ Amy websters group, and her web site. Another excellent teacher of Embird


http://www.flyingneedle.ca/  Kathy Jones website, she has a nice gentle style.


http://www.secretsof.com/content/1798   Carolyn Kebers tutorials are on this site, she's another good Embird teacher.


If you google Embird tutorials you should see quite a few sites.


When you first open Embird the screen is confusing, I wish I could fathom out how to post an attachment as I have written an intro to Embirds manager and editor for my group. I have tried several times but with no success.

Ringo4's picture

(post #30613, reply #28 of 47)

Thank you so much.  I still have several days left on my free trial since I just started it.  Now if I can just get the hang of using the Yahoo Groups.  What a new world all of this is! I hope that everyone else has gotten as much out of this as I have. 


Thanks again to everyone- keep talking, and maybe we will all learn more.


Ringo4

Cherrypops's picture

(post #30613, reply #29 of 47)

Hi Ringo,


Glad you received more links for yahoo groups. I am a member of a few sewing ones. They do take a bit of getting used to so if you need help holler!


Edited 10/31/2007 8:11 pm by Cherrypops

Cherrypops's picture

(post #30613, reply #30 of 47)

Thanks for putting up the individual links. I am a member of a few sewing groups so I shall join these also and see what they have to offer.


 

Cherrypops's picture

(post #30613, reply #24 of 47)

Hi Ringo,


I am in the same boat as you on this.


Thanks to Maggiecoops and her 'name drops',


I found the website for Amy Webster  http://www.aldawldup.com/ and her yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigiStudio/


Kathy Jones is http://www.flyingneedle.ca/index.php


I will begin with these as I am sure there are many more help groups


This link has a bit more info about Amy Webster with other links to online groups http://tanyatheartbutcher.blogspot.com/2006/12/embird-resources.html


Have fun!


CherryP - sydney -


 

MargieT's picture

(post #30613, reply #31 of 47)

There is a Yahoo group for embird beginners - I'm not sure of the exact name but if you look in Yahoo groups you will find it there.  I belong to AbsolutelyEmbird@Yahoogroups.com and that is very informative.  Kathy Jones is an excellent moderator and very helpful. Flying Needle is another great information source - Kathy Jones again.  www.flyingneedle.com


Have fun!

MargieT's picture

(post #30613, reply #20 of 47)

Excellent, clear reply regarding graphic designs. 

maggiecoops's picture

(post #30613, reply #22 of 47)

Thanks Margie, it is a shame the basic suite is so confusing at first glance as it really is an excellent appliction. I use Janomes Digi pro for 60% of my digitising, the other 40 % I use Studio and Generations. However I use Embirds Editor for all my editing needs. I dont think there's another available that is as comprehensive, certainly the editors in my other packages dont even begin to compare. I love the way I can do  format changes in manager, doing one or a dozen at once, so easy, or writing designs to my compact flash card if I want to.  I'm exploring the x stitch plug in, when I get  2 minutes here and there. seems really promising.  

Cherrypops's picture

(post #30613, reply #23 of 47)

Many thanks Maggie,


"It may sound strange, but to be able to auto digitise well, you need to have mastered manual digitising".


Manual and Auto is the keyword! Between posting and reading your reply I spent time researching online and upon reading your excellent comment, I feel Manual would suit me better. Also, the support for Embird through other sites and forums dedicated to embroidery is excellent - another plus.


I have downloaded an Embird Manual .pdf (2003) there may be changes since then but it is a start and I have bookmarked the Flying Needle website. I have located the Embird Studio Group and website of Amy Webster.


I understand you cannot compare software. they are and need to be different.


I initially considered Janome Digi Pro. Does Janome Digi Pro need Customiser to work fully or is it a standalone? I have Customiser but don't use it a lot.


I will be hiding for a while, reading all the new information.


Thanks again for your help, I really appreciate it.


CherryP


 


 

maggiecoops's picture

(post #30613, reply #26 of 47)

Digi pro is 3 seperate applications in one, it's got a design browser, not bad, an editor, very limited, and the digitising application.  Digi Pro, Easy Design is an excellent digitising package, I use mine a lot and have a small group of Janome users plus some embird users, and no I'm not looking for members. The Customiser is a totally seperate application, it's a layout  customising application with a very limited digitising element. I do get annoyed when dealers tell new machine and software owners they need both.  That's naughty, you don't.

Cherrypops's picture

(post #30613, reply #27 of 47)

Maggie,


Its so much nicer to talk about these issues with those who use the programmes, are happy with the programmes, understand the ins and outs of them, willing to spend the time giving advice to us novices, and honest about everything else.!


Thanks again.


CherryP - sydney -

MaryinColorado's picture

(post #30613, reply #33 of 47)

You, "hiding for awhile"?  I'll believe it when I see it!  lol, just kidding ya know.  We will miss you sorely, hope you can speedread and get back on soon.  I know that dense material will take alot of concentration though, good luck! 

Cherrypops's picture

(post #30613, reply #41 of 47)

Hiding to read and finish the nativity play costumes for the Kindergarten Class. 8 to go. I am happy with my progress. Won't be gone too long, ya know I love a good chat!


I am playing with the Embird tutorial at night time. Reading the info from Maggiecoops has help a lot.


CherryP

MargieT's picture

(post #30613, reply #19 of 47)

Converting files is done in the basic Embird package.  Sorry, I can't answer the question regarding the graphic files as I have never used them.  I checked it out on the Embird help menu and it says that the graphic files can be viewed in Embird but does not convert them.  Perhaps someone who is familiar with using graphic files can give you more information.


I have just read Maggie's reply so you have your answer.


Edited 10/31/2007 5:42 pm ET by MargieT