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I've decided to knit a vest in your book and I'll advise you when I've had a chance to knit a guage swatch from the variegated green yarn I purchased at the Stitches convention.  The label says 14 sts. per inch in 4" size 6 needle.  100% lambs wool.


I want your help to be able to use this yarn.  The vest I want to knit is the one with the flap down at the neckline.  I love that vest. It's a funky fashion, and can be embellished.  I've got some great embellishing ideas, but I have to make the basic vest first.  Love you! 


I also love the vest with the triangles, but I don't think I can handle that yet.  What do you think?



Rodezzy, Fiber Artist


Edited 9/14/2009 9:18 am ET by rodezzy

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Katina's picture

(post #29395, reply #1 of 82)

Sure you can! With your talent and your creative gifts, of course you can.  I'll help you, but you'll hardly need it.


Katina

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(post #29395, reply #2 of 82)

Great!  I look forward to hearing from you.  I will knit a swatch tonight.  How many rows, how many stitches?

Rodezzy, Fiber Artist

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Katina's picture

(post #29395, reply #3 of 82)

I imagine your yarn label says 14 sts per 4 inches, right? That means a gauge of 3.5 sts to the inch. Roughly. Remember that gauge is a very individual thing, and the manufacturer gives a suggested gauge. In fact, I'm knitting with two colors at the moment - a red and a grey. The yarns are identical, but the grey is definitely slightly thicker than the red. Dyes can affect yarns in this way. I would cast on 20 sts - that should give a width of about 6 ins. Knit until your piece is about square. Don't be afraid to make a generous swatch as you need to be able to measure it accurately, with no distortion at the edges. This sounds very exciting!


Katina

rodezzy's picture

(post #29395, reply #4 of 82)

Oh, I can't get it right, but I believe you are right.  he he. 

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starzoe's picture

(post #29395, reply #5 of 82)

As to knitting swatches, may I add a suggestion? For an accurate swatch, it must lie flat. If you are knitting in stockinette stitch, it will curl for sure. To get a good, flat swatch, add some rows (3 or 4) of garter stitch at the beginning and end and several stitches at the sides, thus:

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx the xx = garter stitch, the ooo = stockinette
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx stitch which should be at least an inch
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wider than the gauge desired.
xxxooooooooooooxxx Good luck with your project.
xxxooooooooooooxxx
xxxooooooooooooxxx Edit: for some reason, the example did not
xxxooooooooooooxxx appear on the posting in the same form that
it was typed, but you get the idea.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


Edited 9/14/2009 12:05 pm ET by starzoe

rodezzy's picture

(post #29395, reply #6 of 82)

Will do, makes lots of sense to me.  I've seen in my knitting how stockinette rolls.


At the convention I watch a demo on knit one, knit one under which gives a flatter fabric, but then I'm going to do that now. 


Here I am giving snippets of info without all the details.  I have a broucher about that too .... at home.  Going to lunch now.  Talk at you later.  It's slow here today for me any way.  he he


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starzoe's picture

(post #29395, reply #7 of 82)

Do you mean the demo was on K1 K1 below? That is a variation of the brioche stitch, sometimes called fisherman's rib...great for scarves where you want both sides to look the same, good for hats too, it's puffy and uses more yarn than ordinary rib or stockinette stitch.

I've been following your knitting especially. I like to see you break the rules! Too many knitters are stuck to their patterns, afraid to innovate. It's only yarn after all and where's the fun?

My grandgirls (12 and 14) are innovative knitters, continental style. I taught them about gauge and turned them loose. This summer they learned knitting in the round and designed their own projects, did the math and turned out two projects each, cowls and ski headbands. The twelve year old even reads and knits at the same time - something grandma can't do.

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(post #29395, reply #8 of 82)

Yes it was knit one stitch and knit the next stitch below the upcoming stitch.  The stich on the needle becomes a float, hiding it.  It creates verticle lines of color. 


They used variegated yarn and two balls a yarn.  You slide the work back and forth on the circular and there is a working yarn on each end.  To know what yarn you are on, never use the same color yarn that is on the needle.  It gives a 4 way stretch to the garment.  I will bring the brochure I had with the author of the book and make sure I am explaining it right.


Your grands are fantastic.  You gave them a great gift.  I wish I had been encouraged more on knitting when I learned the basics at the age of 9.  I should be a designer, and prolific knitter by now at age 50+.  giggle  They really learned well and are using what they learned extensively.  Awesome.  Out doing the teacher....giggle.


 


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rodezzy's picture

(post #29395, reply #9 of 82)

Here is the best picture of my swatch.  Used size 9 Crystal Palace bamboo circular knitting needles.  I see 3.5 stitches per inch.  I think smaller needles would be too tight and larger needles will be too loose a fabric.  I like the way this year knitted up on these size needles.  The yarn is called Nature Wool, Chunky Multy...(I was close) he he. 


Label reads:  14 sts = 4", size 6mm(10US) ooops, I didn't read the needle size correctly.  Be Right Back....tick tick tick!!!


O.K. New swatch with size US 10 needles.  Yes, I like this much, much better.  Fabric is great.  Lays flatter because it is more relaxed because of larger needle size.  I used size 10 straights because I don't have size 10 circulars.  So, I must go buy some tomorrow.  The straights are short, so they were comfortable.  But the circulars will be better of the larger amount of stitches on the needle.  So this picture doesn't really show a big difference though in the stitches per inch.  Some people say the circulars don't hold a good guage.  ??????


 



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Edited 9/14/2009 8:05 pm ET by rodezzy


Edited 9/14/2009 8:07 pm ET by rodezzy

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starzoe's picture

(post #29395, reply #10 of 82)

Have never heard about circulars not holding a gauge. In this case you are using them as flat needles, right? I don't know the pattern. With any needles, sometimes when you get really going on a project your gauge will change.

Love circulars. I seldom use straight needles, even for small projects. On really small projects I use dpns.

rodezzy's picture

(post #29395, reply #11 of 82)

Well, this is just something I heard at the convention.  Now, I don't really know, that's why I mentioned it to see what the feelings were out there about the cords on the circulars.  I had noticed that they were starting to make circulars with the fatter cables, like the Addi Turbo I purchased.  It has a cable that is almost flush to the needle ends which are US #17.  So, I asked a lady who had started a conversation with me while we excitedly drooled over the pretty new square circular needles on display before us.  She said she had heard that too. 


Obviously, both of us were inexperienced knitters, we quickly dropped the subject to ohhhhh and ahhhhhhhhh at the latest innovation in novelty yarn, a couple yards of yarn with chains dripping off it.  $24 per skein.  (just keep walking....just keep walking).   LOL


Oh, yes, I made one swatch with circulars (size 9) and the other (size 10) with short straights.  I'm going to make a vest.



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Edited 9/14/2009 11:47 pm ET by rodezzy

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starzoe's picture

(post #29395, reply #12 of 82)

Most of my circulars (all maybe 100 of them) are not new, some probably could be called vintage. I have a few of the shorter AddiTurbos but they are not my favourites. Perhaps the new ones with the large cables will be popular, I know that sometimes the complaint about the old plastic and wire cable is that the yarn can sometimes be hung up on the connection.

I can understand the gauge going off when using the huge needles. I find that anything over 6mm (I'm metric, in Canada) requires too much manipulation, prefer knitting in the finer gauges. Am now working on a tunic length cabled coat for my 14 yr. old grandgirl. My pattern completely to her specifications. I can see that having teen-aged girls is going to cost me big money in yarn.

Post a picture as soon as you finish the vest - I'll expect to see it by Friday, for sure!

rodezzy's picture

(post #29395, reply #15 of 82)

Friday!!!!????  Are you kidding me.  I'm not that good and I have to follow a pattern.  That will slow me down considerably....giggle. 


That tunic length cabled coat sounds divine.  I want to make a knitted coat too.  But alas, I only have 24 hours in a day, and I try to sleep some of those hours outside of work.  Things should pick up a little here today.  I do have to run an errand for my boss today around 9 a.m.  One of the guys brought me a cucumber and some tomatoes from his garden.  What a sweetie....that's lunch.


Yes, it will cost, but just think of the wonderful blessing you have given them, and the blessing they are to you.  When they are grown and with their own families, they will cherish you and shower you with knitted glory.  I'm sure of it. 


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Katina's picture

(post #29395, reply #13 of 82)

Hi Rodezzy, hi Starzoe - this is for both of you keen knitters


Like Starzoe, I've not had gauge problems with circulars. I've read that some knitters have a problem in situations like the following example: you're knitting an item in the round up to the armholes, then divide for front and back, which means you're knitting back and forth. A slight gauge change can occur. I've no personal experience of this, but see how it could happen if you feel your rhythm has changed. I think how you hold/throw the yarn might play a role.


I love knitting; I knit every day of my life. I love how there's no right or wrong way, no matter what others may tell you. If you get results that please YOU, and that do not cause you discomfort, that's all that matters. I would only say it's wrong if it hurts you because you're holding your needles in some sort of 'unrelaxed' position. In such a case I'd say unlearn the bad habit as quickly as possible. I have noticed that some knitters who suffer shoulder/arm pain are holding the needles up high, with shoulders bunched up, and are supporting all the weight of the work in their hands and arms. This is where circulars, especially for large projects, are so good - the work lies in your lap.


And something else I love - it's not many activities that you can work on something and then, if you want to, can undo and return the material to its original state. You take yarn, you knit, you unravel, you have yarn. Most of us here know to our cost what happens if we cut a garment piece out wrongly!


Starzoe - your grandkids are lucky to have you, and you them.


Katina


 

Katina's picture

(post #29395, reply #14 of 82)

Hello Starzoe


I've posted a message to Rodezzy which is for both of you.


Greetings - Katina

rodezzy's picture

(post #29395, reply #16 of 82)

Hey there Katina, did you see my swatches and yarn specs?  Please examine and give your input.  I will have to go out line dancing tonight, for I desperately need the exercise, but I will have an hour or so before I go to put in some knitting, if we can settle into the specifics for the project today.  I have the book with me today, and the project is the Easy Flap-Front Top.  I love it and would like to get busy.  Is my swatch guage readable in the pictures?  My swatches is in the post I've replied to the last numbers being .10


Rodezzy, Fiber Artist


Edited 9/15/2009 8:53 am ET by rodezzy

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Katina's picture

(post #29395, reply #17 of 82)

Hi Rodezzy


From what I can tell from the pics, your swatch on the #10 needles looks very good. Seems to be giving you 14 sts = 4 ins. The yarn looks very lovely. I share your excitement!


Katina

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(post #29395, reply #18 of 82)

O.K. now how do I transfer that swatch into instructions for the top.  According to the instructions, the guage is 15 sts = 4 ins.  What do I do from here?  Use a bigger set of needles.  I have to buy them today, so I will need to know.  I don't have circulars in size 10 or 11.  Or should I buy 10.5?

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Katina's picture

(post #29395, reply #19 of 82)

If you're comfortable with the gauge you're achieving, it would be easier to work out a new pattern to your gauge and m/ments. The shape is very simple. In a new pattern, we could add some shoulder shaping and possibly bust darts.


Katina

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(post #29395, reply #20 of 82)

Oh, no.....not bust darts.  I have no idea how to knit bust darts.  Can we just make it plain box construction? yikesss....I'm getting scared now.

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Katina's picture

(post #29395, reply #21 of 82)

Absolutely! We'll knit a plain, simple vest top


Katina

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(post #29395, reply #22 of 82)

Oh thank you, I promise the next one I knit will be a little more advanced.  I just want to get thru this first garment.  love and hugs

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Katina's picture

(post #29395, reply #23 of 82)

Knitting doesn't have to be 'advanced' to look good! Yours will be terrific


Katina

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(post #29395, reply #24 of 82)

Thanks Katina!  We have a lot of guest here at work, looks like I'm going to have to wait until I get home.  Oh well, I do have a commitment to work......he he he I'm blessed as it is, so I had better get back to work.


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Katina's picture

(post #29395, reply #25 of 82)

Yes, better that you do!

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(post #29395, reply #26 of 82)

Hi Katina:  I knitted another swatch, all garter stitch.  But I can't count the knitted rows.  Do you count each bumped row as two rows?  I can easily count stockinette stitches, I count the "V"'s but I got confused on the garter stitched piece.  Also, I used a pair of straights - size 11.  I don't know why, I just felt I wanted a looser fabric in the end.  I also know I prefer circulars.  Remember I purchased those fancy circular set of needles, well they come apart at the base, the wood separates from the metal base.  I was very disappointed. 


But any whoo.....I'm thinking that I should use size 11 needles.  I get 3 sts per inch and the fabric in garter is nice.  So, please see attached picture and tell me what you think.  Am I being a fussy student?  Sorry....I am glad you had me do this swatch, because I can see that garter stitch is a little stiffer fabric because the size 11 swatch in garter stitch seems firm but it laid out flatter with out you wanting to stretch it out.  Does that seem right?  Oh, I have so much to learn in knitting.  But I'm going to make this vest, Cathy.  Hang in there with me O.K.?


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Forgot the picture of swath.  This is on size 11 straights.  giggle


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Edited 9/16/2009 9:51 pm ET by rodezzy

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Katina's picture

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We're all hanging in there with you, Rodezzy. Knitting's something that keeps on teaching - always something new to learn. Something that always amazes me about knitting is that you can be a fabulous knitter in certain techniques, but a complete novice in others. And it's all done by manipulating two stitches - knit and purl. And the colorwork possibilties are literally endless.


So, your swatch looks terrfiic and you're an intuitive knitter, just as I thought you'd be. And being fussy? Heck no!! Taking time to swatch carefully is very important if a good fit is to be achieved. When we sew, we prepare the fabric and do all kinds of things before cutting out.


Hmm...these needles are a bit troubling. What make are they?


Katina

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(post #29395, reply #31 of 82)

I have no idea what make the needles are, they were given to me and are aluminum, and are very old. 


They were given to me by my friend I made the dolls and quilts for when her husbands uncle died and the aunt had died prior to his death.  They were cleaning out the house to sell it, and she called me to come and get whatever I wanted. 


The aunt was a proficient seamstress, knitter and she crocheted.  I got all kids of notions, knitting needles and gadgets for knitting.  She made pillow cases, clothes, crocheted afghans, knitted everything and so on and so on.  I have boxes of material and other trims and stuff.  I have some old circulars with stiff cables and plastic colored tips.  I got stitch holders, tip stops and tiny metal dpns in a little tubular case.  A box of small scissors of all sorts, from folding to embroidery scissors.  Treasures I sometimes just look at and imagine her sewing, and using these things.  I have old hankerchiefs still in the boxes, tableclothes and napkins.  Kitchen towels and fancy aprons.  Sometimes I just go through the boxes and look over and touch the fabrics.  Things she made and things she bought, her little treasures.


They were both old enough to be my parents.


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Katina's picture

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What a wonderful gift, so much history in the tools. And how nice that they've gone to someone who really appreciates all that the gift entails.


Katina